Shit, a replacement wing mirror was almost a grand. Between that and the abortive experience of the Touareg, I am never buying a German car out of warranty ever again. It may well be other manufacturers are just as bad, but I haven't been bitten by them. From a dealer. It was just a bit too old for CPO. In the three weeks I had it before I returned it, from memory: Failed window motor Popped rear suspension air bag. Failed hatch release. I'm referring to the engine cooling, not the cabin cooling. The second time the above happened, I was on my way to a conference.
I managed to get there just as it overheated. I called the dealer and told them to a come pick it up and take it back, and b drop off a loaner while we worked out the details. To the dealer's credit, they made it right. They gave me a rental not a loaner but they paid for it. They then basically cancelled the loan transaction as if it had never happened, and sold the car off at auction.
There are many factors involved here. In the US, BMW is seen as luxury brand offering sporty vehicles, which has more to do with marketing and product placement than reality, save for maybe the M variants.
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This means that many BMWs are driven hard, and people think that they can take it because "superior German engineering" or some other bullshit. There isn't a good supply of replacement parts in the US, so most repairs must be done at the dealer and cost big money for both parts and labor. Because proper repairs cost so much, many people will just use band-aid fixes and let the next owner foot the bill down the road. I would never buy an older, high-mileage BMW in the US unless it passed a proper inspection by a mechanic and had paperwork for all previous work done.
I think BMWs in Europe are a bit of a different story. They seem to be a bit less expensive and aren't seen as these nigh-indestructible marvels of performance engineering, just normal cars.
There is a much better supply of parts and more knowledgeable private mechanics, so repairs aren't nearly as expensive, and it's more likely proper service and repairs will be performed. In other words, if you want to buy an old high-mileage car, make it a Toyota or Honda. Parts are cheap, and repairs are easy. Yes, BMWs are that bad. Some models might be kinda OK Super fun to drive, of course, but horrible to maintain. BMW designs for driving performance, not maintainability.
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Not all BMW owners are horrible at taking care of them, but the ones that were lovingly maintained are not going to be the cheap ones your dad buys for you. The vast majority of cheap used BMWs on the US market are being sold by people that got into a BMW without being realistic about the costs, couldn't afford to keep it maintained, drove it like a track car anyways, and are now trying to dump it on another sucker. Uhmm, why is your dad the one who decided and purchased the bimmer for you instead of, well, you?
Please re-read the OP. Is it a problem if I was in certain life circumstances that prevented me from paying for my own car insurance? Actually your OP isn't all that clear. It requires an assumption on our part that the car you relied upon was owned by your dad, as he was the one who received the insurance payout.
But that's neither here nor there. Some people think the cars are worth it because they feel solid and generally look great. This used to be a problem in part because BMW offered fancy electronics and computers that everyday cars didn't, which introduced more complexity and chance of failure see also: Mercedes-Benz. This was particularly true of the 5- and 7-series.
As other people said, the grave mistake here was not getting sufficient info about your car before buying it. That's a bad way to buy a Corolla too. Quote: But that's neither here nor there. Yea, that is neither here nor there, because blaming me for letting my dad purchase the BMW, for the BMW breaking down is ridiculous.
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Pont wrote: Yes, BMWs are that bad. This whole comment should be taken with a grain of salt. The kind that are offered by fanbois of something or another. BMW makes great cars. Their initial quality rankings are insane. If maintained correctly like any car they will go forever. So is anything not American. I can't believe you wrote this at all. Citations, now or retract as utter bullshit, please. So are straw men. Everything you said can be said about anything that was not maintained. Apple is always pushing the limits of engineering and quite often the results in very unreliable electronics.
The moral of the story is, find a mechanic that specializes in the brand you want to buy used and have them sign off on the car before buying. Now if you want to talk about expensive cars to fix To his point on 3, I would say that's regional. Around here, most BMW owners definitely have Asshole Owner Syndrome, per his definition and in the sense that they look town their noses at you. Quote: This whole comment should be taken with a grain of salt.
I own a '98 Mercedes E that I am definitely not gaga over. I'm no stranger to German car part prices, and my car is even a boring, high-volume model. I've had several friends go through the used BMW experience. I have many, many coworkers driving new BMWs. Quote: 1. And you accuse me of being a fanboy?
Quote: 2. Oh please. None of this is at all controversial. BMW doesn't sell boring-but-reliable cars in the US. Quote: 3. This was not a straw man. I've seen it in every single "cheap used BMW" story I've ever personally witnessed or even second hand read about. The only stories I've ever come across of someone buying a cheap used BMW not counting a classic BMW and being happy with it all have Stockholm syndrome and consider it perfectly normal to spend thousands after thousands of dollars fixing the thing but "oh man was it fun to drive.
Maybe they just came off a lease. Maybe their owners loved them. Maybe they just came off warranty and their owners are the kind of people that automatically sell and trade up when their warranty runs out. But none of those are going to be cheap. There are expensive used BMWs that are shiny and unreliable. It's easy to find someone who wants to buy a BMW and will not look too deep. There are cheap used BMWs that horrendously expensive to maintain. There are no cheap used BMWs that are cheap to maintain and run, except defy-the-odds-buy-a-lottery-ticket unicorns.
Yeah, your idea of what constitutes a cheap and reliable car may be a little different than most people's. Edit: To be fair, certain models of cars in other brands suffer the same issues. I was going to post here but then I read that article and this sums up my sentiment pretty well: also, hilarious Quote: The main problem, as I see it, is that the Germans are just too obsessed with stuffing all sorts of newfangled gizmos into their cars. This is largely because no one questions the prowess of German engineering; they're still the best at that. So they continue to show their engineering dominance by creating all sorts of crazy gadgets and sticking them in the cars; stuff that no one wants, such as cooled gloveboxes, and rear armrest refrigerators, and those little tray tables that fold down, presumably to allow people riding in the back of an Audi A8 to do some cocaine.
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One of my coworkers drove a ish BMW M5, which had the functionality to adjust the view of the power side rear-view mirrors downward every time you shifted into reverse , and then back up when you shifted out. Is it a clever little design feature? Is it useful? Probably, sometimes. Does it make those little rear-view mirror adjusting motors work about x harder than any other car on the market, and more likely to fail no matter how well they're engineered?
And when they do fail, are they likely to leave the mirror in a position that's useless and make the car less safe to drive? You betcha. My father-in-law has a ish Mercedes AMG that has pneumatic power door locks for some godforsaken reason. And I think an IR keyless entry system. I assumed that everybody knew that Mercedes and BMWs are more unreliable than average, but they are willing to put up with the headaches because of the gizmos, performance, status symbol, etc. When I read some of the comments in this thread, I thought of all the damage the BMW leaking auto dimming mirrors have caused.
I think it'd buy an even lesser BMW. I mostly have only needed to deal with gas, oil, and windshield wipers for the Toyotas I've owned.
That's it. To me, sexy is less important than having a car that runs and minimizes headaches to me. I recently traded in a BMW I was a great car, had k on it. The kicker was the BMW premium. If you can afford one, and know what you are getting into, they are wonderful. You just have to pay the price.
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And any car getting to that age will start to need just about everything replaced. So yeah, if you are not comfortable with an older car needing justified repairs that cost as much as a new car, you probably should not buy any car that is 10 years old or older. Does sound like you hit the crap-lottery jackpot on that one though. They will sell boring cars. Looking at you, i. The only problems I ever had with my '01 M3 had to do with it being an inappropriate car for the terrible road quality around here.
I bought it with 30, miles on it, and put over 11, miles on the clock, just doing routine maintenance. Now that I am going to get married and move to the burbs, I will think about another M or Audi S or RS later on, after my STi is long in the tooth, and while I can still get a good resale on it. Quote: And any car getting to that age will start to need just about everything replaced. This is what people who bought high-maintenance cars like to tell themselves so that they don't feel as bad about all those repairs.
It used to be true, long ago.
Now, not so much. Any car can be a lemon of course, but in general most cars are more reliable than they've ever been. In my Dad's day it was unwise to hold on to a car much past k, but today that's silly. Quote: I bought it with 30, miles on it, and put over 11, miles on the clock, just doing routine maintenance. You say that like it should be surprising rather than expected; maybe I'm just misreading you. I would fully expect even the cheapest car to have no repairs over only 11, miles, when it hasn't even hit 50k yet.
In maintenance, an oil change and an air filter, maybe some brake pads if they happen to wear out during that period. I bought my Toyota Echo with 29, miles on it.
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I changed the oil at 30k with Mobil 1 and have been doing so every 15k since. It gets the stuff that wears out - oil, filters, brake pads, battery, etc. It was in an accident in about perhaps 40k miles which caused a radiator replacement along with much of the non-mechanical front end like hood, bumper, headlight, but of course that wasn't the car's fault. It has been chugging along with oil every 15k, air filters every 30k, battery, tires and brake pads when needed. The AC compressor failed at about k, and that has been the only major repair.
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